Multiculturalism has failed say Bradford residents

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Nine in ten people say Bradford is divided, in a nod to the city’s failed multiculturalism experiment, according to a new poll in a local newspaper.

The eye-opening survey comes as city councillors said “Asian youths” had attacked pubs owned by white business owners in November and more generally intimidated women from visiting the town centre after dark to enjoy the night time economy. The council chamber heard further claims that armed police had been required at a recent Jewish community event amid a “huge increase” in anti-Semitism and that people had been caught “goose-stepping” outside a centre for asylum seekers in Keighley.

A report on the story, appearing in both the Telegraph & Argus and Asian Image, asked readers: ‘Do you think Bradford is a divided district?’ to which a whopping 89 per cent answered ‘yes’ in a poll of almost 2,300 people. Latest census information published in June 2017 revealed that Bradford is home to the largest Pakistani population in England (20.3 per cent) with a quarter of the population (24.7 per cent) identifying as Muslim.

At last Wednesday’s meeting of Bradford City Council’s Corporate Overview and Scrutiny Committee, councillors had heard the findings of a new report designed to strengthen community relations in the northern city. The report said the council’s diversity and cohesion team was working with all religious groups and other organisations in its response to the Louise Casey report on opportunity and integration, which gives recommendations to the government.

But councillor Arshad Hussain, who chairs the committee, said there were “many areas in this city” where people were afraid to go depending on their ethnicity.

“Community relations in this city were a lot better 25 years ago,” the Labour member told the public meeting. “Are we really achieving what we are supposed to be achieving? I don’t think so. Last month on Bonfire Night in my ward, three pubs were stoned by Asian youths. These were the only white businesses in the area. No Asian businesses were attacked. They were targeted because they were white.”

He added: “I am really cheesed off with things like this. There are so many areas in this city where white people are scared to go into. Likewise there are other areas where Asian people are scared to go into. That is a horrible state of affairs and it should never have got to this stage. Perhaps you should start to do things in a different way. You tend to use the same organisations time and time again. Perhaps you should start delivering on the doorstep and getting new groups on board because I think we are heading towards disaster.”

Conservative councillor Simon Cooke said: “At a recent event at the synagogue there were armed police posted outside. Is that an example of community cohesion that a Jewish event needed police protection? I think we are kidding ourselves. I represent thousands of people who never come into Bradford and I am only five miles up the road. They say they don’t feel safe. That’s the reality.”

And councillor Vanda Greenwood, continuing the damning indictment of Bradford’s integration agenda, added: “There is a real problem of people’s perception of Bradford. My daughter is 23 and she and her friends say they will not come into Bradford for a drink or night out because they say there are gangs of Asian males hanging around. They say they do not feel safe and instead go to Leeds.”

Presenting the report, Ian Day, the council’s assistant director for neighbourhood and customer services, said there was work going on with the communities and there was funding for that work.

“I do recognise that there is more work to do. Funding resources are being put into areas where there are entrenched views,” he told the chamber.

But local resident Ryan Quinn, responding to the survey results, told Shy Society: “I would absolutely agree with the statement that Bradford is divided and it’s not surprising at all that 89 per cent of people feel that way here. Since the Bradford riots the political class here has done nothing but pander to political correctness – hoping to bridge the divide but instead widening it.

“I feel like identifying the outcome of multiculturalism is good but the cause needs to be identified along with it for anything to change.”

To read the minutes from the latest meeting visit this page.

Shy Society.
Standing up for those without a voice in Britain

55 COMMENTS

  1. The big question is not, do we have a divided society? but … how are we going to fix it? That’s the dialogue we need to begin. It requires the return of Free Speech and participative democracy. That’s is the only genuine and lasting solution in my mind, and it could be a win – win solution, freeing everyone from their ideological bubbles.

    • 800 years ago the Muslims were pushed out of Europe 20 years ago they were invited back

      It’ll be 600 years again before this is rectified

      • Yeah but for that you have to compete with the astronomical high birth rate amongst Muslims. So in all likelihood Muslims will spread like a plague and kill all your generations. Islam is capable of finishing humanity faster than climate change or any other natural causes. Islam is the disease and Muslims it’s victims.

      • Get your facts right. Muslims, along with Jews, were expelled from Spain in 1492, c. 525 years ago. At the same time they were entering S. E. Europe with the Ottoman Empire; and communities remain in the Balkans to this day. The Brit Empire brought some Muslims to the UK in the 19th century, and the mosque in Woking, Surrey dates from the 1880s.

    • The whole world belongs to Muslims. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she must learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time he/she must learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with his/her cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
      IA
      http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

      • It does not matter how intelligent you think you are, but claiming the first sentence you show yourself as selfish and territorial which is very dangerous combined with religion and self pity. Who does not allow you to study poetry and your own literature? The question is do your muslim peers want it or they just want to own everything and no other people left?

  2. This is Great Britain, the only way forward is to be tough and fully enforce all British laws with no flexibility.
    Behave properly, go to prison or be deported.

    • It is easy to say” Go back to where you came from”, but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here. They are in the unenviable position of trying to combine two different worlds. That is no easy. We do not want to change you lot but we would like to see our children getting balanced Islamic education along with National Curriculum. We would like our children to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time we would like our children to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Bilingualism is an asset but British schooling regards it as a problem.

      Islamic extremism and Washington’s extremism is not really that different in their goals of domination. I am more concerned about being shot by a cop in my own house than being shot or blown up by a Muslim also.

      The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist?

      Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

      None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. It is not wrong to teach children that Jews are committing the same cruelty in Palestine what German did to them before or during Second World War. It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins. This does not mean that Muslim schools teach children to hate westerners, Jews and homosexuals.
      IA
      http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

      • “It is easy to say” Go back to where you came from”, but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here”.

        A Dog born in a stable does not make it a Horse!!

      • Reading the Koran and Hadiths and the dreadful example of Mahomet, that slave owning warlord with a prophet delusion, it is fortunate indeed that only a minority of Muslims are terrorists who harbour imperial dreams of world domination.

        Since its 7th century inception Islam has been misogynistic, anti Semitic and sickeningly obsessed with some imminent Judgement Day when all of us kufr who do not believe and follow all that Koranic silly stuff with its recycled bible stories and flying horse and djinn nonsense, will be banished to eternal hellfire.

        I am not an apologist for Western Imperialism, but am well aware of the ravages of 1000 years of Islamic imperialism, be it Arabic, Moghul or Ottoman.

        Muslims are, like the rest of humanity, largely fine as neighbours, workmates and playmates. They deserve better than to be indoctrinated from childhood with the Koran and Hadiths and commanded to revere that deluded power crazy Mahomet.

      • So you agree with bigamy. Why should we pay for your many children and support your 4 wives. New Law. All British citizens receive child allowance for 2 children, no more. Apply law to both men and women.
        Female Genital Mutilation against human rights law. Stop it.
        Jesus said we are all equal under God. Men and women.

      • It easily seen that Muslims have a problem living in a multicultural environment. It was a mistake to try to allow them in. Now it’s too late. You will have to sit with this spur under your saddle for a long time. Poor Britian, and even worse Germany. Very sad.

      • Some of what you say I agree with fully, but not all. I myself feel Western governments have no business meddling in the internal affairs of Middle Eastern nations, especially those who’s first allegiance is to Allah. Not because of some unnecessary antagonism. But, simply that “by it’s nature and design Islam is generally incompatible” with other cultures. There are two-sides to every story. Few people today will listen to both. I do and from that center I try to get people to “walk in the other guys shoes” because what happens when we refuse to do and selfishly only want to look issues from our own vantagepoint, we end up stuck mud and the longer we “both sides” in that spot of stubborness, it starts pulling us down like aquicksand. This is what is going in America today between Democrats and Republicans. I personally have never cared for either party and only voted for Obama because it was then Right. Time. Just I mention this because, it was at this point the mud which began (when Bush was elctected in 2000) strated turning to the quicksand situation we are in now! It, important for these situation not to become this way, simply a matter of being true to ones-self. Sometimes we know we are being dishonest, there is a little voice in the of our heads at the moment telling us so. It’s easy to ignore, I find it best to pay good attention. Had Republicas done this in 08 they at least would have had a candidate that was an option, other than Barack Obama. John was NOT, AND THE little voice (inthe back their stubborn little heads) told them, so. Probably YELLING it at them RON PAUL. But RON PAUL told them the same that we’ve “stay out f Allah’s sandbox, he’s testy and he’ll his toys into your sandcastle in your yard. He also, to make matters worse, told Republicans they would have to end their drug war, it’s unconstitutional and that was when they ran John McCain. Liten to the voice. Be honest with yourself. Walk in the other guys shoes for moment and thats it. I’ll leave one link, also https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/society-suspects-war-drugs-civil-liberties

      • here’s some interesting history about Islam , it seems to me that it was some Christian Jewish freedom fighters that invented it not Mohammad ? Ardhoniel Maetharanel Findëmaxawen
        31 December 2017 at 17:29
        Courtesy of Andrew Tranter:

        Get a cuppa or an ale and make yourself comfortable before reading this, it is a long read but it will open your mind to Islam and the Quran in a way that will both shock and surprise you, it’s all based on known provable historic facts and although I make my own conclusions at the end of it, I cannot see how you could come up with any other conclusions other than the ones I did.
        I saw a Christian video on Islam and that set me away on this project, much of what is stated in this is taken from that video (but was checked externally to verify its authenticity) and I have added quite a bit myself from research to try and give a more complete and un-bias version of the facts.
        Any Christians and Jewish people amongst our group may not like some of this text as I bear no favours to any religion in it, but state what is known and can be proved.
        I am an atheist (or should say more a Humanist, with the exception I do believe in reincarnation) so have no religious leanings and as such I have tried my best to present facts as they are and with no bias either for or against any religion but Muslims will find this particularly disturbing and hopefully revealing.
        Adding a little more to this in this comment as although what he says is all true he is promoting Christianity, I’m not, I am promoting the truth, It’s long and detailed but well worth a read
        Islam and the Quran, from its beginnings to the modern day.

        To understand the beginnings of Islam we have to look at the text it was based on first…

        So first we had Judaism, which was (taking from tablets found with many writing the same or similar to text in the Tohar) based on an earlier un-named religion (or early Judaic religion) that came from one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, the 30,000 Sumerian tablets were found buried in the desert near Baghdad in an underground structure estimated to be over 6000 years old, by two Muslims digging a well, around the same time that Israel became a nation again. Many Tohar and Bible stories are found within these writings and one of the sets of tablets states the author is our Lord and these texts will be buried until the appropriate time when they will be revealed.
        Then we get Christianity which was a breakaway faction from Judaism lead by John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth.
        After the death of Jesus on the cross, Christianity was spread by Jesus’s disciples and took root like wild fire throughout the Roman Empire. With many factions arguing amongst themselves and conflicts breaking out between the various Christian factions the then Emperor “Constantine” created a copycat religion (to unite the various factions and gain control of this popular religion). Incidentally, Constantine murdered his wife and his son, and later, the Church made him a Saint?
        The now “Saint Constantine’s” copycat religion was actually based upon a myth (The Persian saviour god Mithra, crucified 600 B.C. ? Or 400 B.C.? Stories differ on actual dates), which was also based on other similar myths all the way back to “Chrishna” of India (a mythical god that some claim was “crucified” around 1200 B.C.). There were 16 mythical crucifixions before Christ and the belief in the crucifixion of Gods was prevalent in various oriental or heathen countries long prior to the reported crucifixion of Christ. Of the 16 previous crucifixions, most were born of a virgin and about half of them on or around December 25th.
        Christianity has under gone many transformations over the years which included the reformation and the high jacking of the religion by the British King “Henry VIII” in the United Kingdom (to give us the modern day church of England), and in many ways Christianity differs from the original texts that are coming to light today, including the fact that Jesus may never have claimed to literally be the son of God that but simply that he had a higher connection with God than most and that Constantine took this to be a literal statement and adopted it as such.
        (In the Hebrew Bible, three classes of people are identified as “anointed,” that is, “Messiahs”: prophets, priests, and kings.
        In Jesus’ time, the term Messiah was used in different ways, and no one can be sure how Jesus would even have meant it if he had accepted the term, but we do know that at his interrogation before the Sanhedrin, when asked whether he is “the Messiah,” he answers in Mark, “I am” (14:62), but in the Matthean parallel, his answer becomes, “You have said so” (Matt. 26:64); and Luke completely rewords the high priest’s question (HarperCollins Bible Dictionary, p. 678)
        Paul describes God as declaring Jesus to be the Son of God by raising him from the dead.
        Mark portrays God as adopting Jesus as his son at his baptism, although many others do not accept this interpretation of Mark, others argue that for Jesus to be hailed as the Son of God does not mean that he is literally God’s offspring,
        In the synoptic Gospels, the being of Jesus as “Son of God” corresponds exactly to the typical Hasidean from Galilee, a “pious” holy man that by God’s intervention performs miracles and exorcisms.
        Rather, it indicates a very high designation, one who stands in a special relation to God as was commonly practised in Jesus’s time.
        In conclusion for Jesus to claim to be the son of god in his day, cannot be taken literally to mean he was the son of God, as it was a common practise used to describe person high up with God and not literally the Son of God and this would also fit with the later Islamic version of Jesus’s role within Christianity and Islam.
        When evaluating text from a period, we also have to look at that period and evaluate the context a statement was used in on others.
        A messiah, a Prophet Priests and Kings could also have been known as sons of God, so we cannot say Jesus was literally claim to be the son of God but may have simply been claim his high connection to God, but for Constantine’s purpose a literal claim suited his version of Christianity).
        Then we come to Islam, (whose origins are probably rooted in one of the surviving factions of Christianity not drawn in by the Constantine’s uninformed version of Christianity, a logical conclusion you will see as we go on).
        Muslims however are taught and believe that it started with Muhammad, who they regard as Allah’s (Gods) Prophet along with such others as Judaism and later Christianity’s profits Jesus, David, Moses, Abraham, Noah and Adam giving credence to its foundations been in one of those factions that Constantine did not control.
        So really speaking all 3 religions, are based from the same source text, an un-named (or early Judaic) Sumerian religion.
        So why are the 3 religions so different in the way they are preached and the way they are practised?
        To discover this we have to look at the history of the various holy books.
        Where the Tohar, the Bible and the Quran all share similar stories that can be found in tablets discovered near Baghdad, the major differences in these religions are in the way these religions were founded and took root and by those that came later and re wrote the religions.
        Judaism’s Tohar, and the Christians Bible have both gone through periods of intense scrutiny and although there can be no proof for many of the stories been totally accurate, there is now (thanks to archology and such as the two Muslims men finding the Sumerian tablets) proof that many where based on actual events that took place.
        However when we look at the Quran, we find it has not undergone that same scrutiny and that once we do apply scrutiny to it, the text not only cannot be backed up with recorded event, they actually go against known events and locations.
        Why is this?
        Well to discover this we have to go back to the earliest versions of the Quran (and I say this because the Quran that is used in every Mosque throughout the world has only been round since 1924, I will elaborate more about this as I go on) and also look at the compulsory accompanying text to the Quran the “Hadith” as they inextricably linked in Islam. (With the exception of the Quranists who reject any connection with the Hadith)
        The hadith is based on spoken reports/word (his said teachings, words) that was in circulation in society after the death of Muhammad. Unlike the Quran (disputed to have been written anywhere from 20 to 250 years after his death, it is known that the hadiths were not quickly and concisely compiled during or immediately after Muhammad’s life. Hadiths were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries, generations after the death of Muhammad, after the end of the era of the “rightful” Rashidun Caliphate, and over 620 miles from where Muhammad is said to have lived.
        To date Islamic and others scholars have found 26 Quran’s all unfinished, all incomplete, and none of these 26 Qurans or even the earliest 6 have been found to date to no more than 1,300 years ago (8th century).
        And what is more troubling is that in the earliest 6 Quran’s there are 2,200 erasing’s, where the writing have been completely deleted?
        So effectively the first Quran’s where been edited and altered by someone to suit their version of what the Quran should say, so those Qurans do not reflect Muhammad’s word, they have been too heavily redacted by an unknown person, or person’s to now be able to say they are the word of Allah passed down to Muhammad.
        We need to look closer at this, the Quran and the Hathal Quran” in particle is been sold to the people as the word of Allah via Muhammad.
        Hathal Quran written in 1924
        The common belief that the Quran has a single, unambiguous reading is due in part to the bravado of translators, who rarely express doubt about their choices. Yet it is above all due to the terrific success of the standard Egyptian edition of the Quran, first published on July 10, 1924 in Cairo, an edition now widely seen as the official text of the Quran… Minor adjustments were subsequently made to this text in following editions in 1936. The text released in 1936 became known as the Faruq edition in honour of the Egyptian king, Faruq (r. 1936–52). Yet the influence of the Cairo text soon spread well beyond Egypt. It has been adopted almost universally by both Sunni and Shi‘i Muslims, and by critical scholars as well, who have long since given up Gustav Flugel’s 1834 edition.
        Writing in 1938, Otto Pretzl noted with amazement that in his day for the first time a de facto canonical text had emerged.
        So as said and can be proved todays Quran has only been around since 1924?
        So let’s look at all the Quran’s before the 1924 Hathal Quran, and the first thing we see is all these Quran’s are different from one and another, non-mirror the teachings of the other, and none of them parallel the Quran that is used today.
        Most Muslims are taught and believe there is only one Quran the Hathal Quran, but the Hathal Quran was actually compiled in 1924, less than a hundred years ago, there are actually at least 26 Arabic and other Quran’s that have been found to date, but Muslims are taught to follow the “Hathal Quran” as passed down from Allah through Muhammad.
        Why are most Muslims ignorant to the other Quran’s and why don’t Iman’s teach from other Quran’s and Hadiths, after all there 26 other Qurans and many versions of the Hadiths?
        This is largely down to the route Islam has been directed and used over the centuries by Iman’s caliphs and others to their own ends, and to find this out we have go right back to the start and look at the time line from the birth of Islam with Muhammad to present day and the New Quran from 1924.
        We need to look at those earliest proponent of Islam, like “Ibn Sina” and “Ibn Taymiya”, to discover this, so let’s look a little at what they preached in their own times and we find hatred for Africans and Black people particularly are portrayed in a very bad light and negative light (believed to be due to the practise of taking slaves from Africa), they brand them as sub human and many other things (that I will let you research for yourself as I am not willing to repeat the more vile comments and remember the name “Ibn Taymiya” it is a very important one when we look at Islamic history and time lines).
        So we have more than one Quran, 26 in all, and those that first preached from the Quran considered Black people as sub human but let’s go back to Mohammad and the first Quran which is said to have been written by Muhammad whilst he was alive but when we do this we find an inconsistency in the time line of the Quran.
        Parts of hadiths have been found and dated to a time close to when Muhammad lived but even Islamic scholars have said that the Quran was ordered to be written by Caliph “Abu Bak” and compiled for him by “Uthman” sometime after Muhammad‘s death?
        So Muhammad did not write the Quran, it was compiled after his death by a Caliph, so the first question to ask is the Quran the words Muhammad actually spoke?
        (We already know that the first Quran’s were extensively altered with huge section deleted by unknown person/person’s changing and guiding Islam, no one else could have done it, it has to be someone from within the religion that is altering it)
        Well let’s look at the official story of Muhammad’s life and see if we can discover the truth from that.

        Muhammad was born in Mecca and lived there for roughly the first 52 years of his life (c. 570–622). This period is generally divided into two phases, “before and after declaring” as a struggling preacher and warrior and his “prophetic visions” when he becomes known later as a prophet of Allah (God) and a successful warrior and conqueror and ruler of Arabia.
        When we look at the official story of the life of Muhammad it says he gained few early followers, and met hostility from Meccan polytheists.
        (The first biography of Muhammad was written by “Ibn Ishaq” who died in 765 (8th century), 120 or more years after Muhammad’s death but none of his writing remains, so we then have to go to “Ibn Hisham” who rewrote the biography of Muhammad and died in 833, so some 200-240 years after Muhammad actually lived) and the first time anywhere in the world outside of the bible” saying there will be a prophet called Muhammad”, is when his name appears on the Dome on the Rock in Jerusalem built by “Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan” in 691.
        We’ll continue with the official story of his life….
        To escape persecution, he sent some followers to Abyssinia before he and his followers migrated from Mecca to Medina (then known as” Yathrib”) in the year 622.
        This event, the” Hijra” marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the tribes under the Constitution of Medina.
        In December 629, after eight years of intermittent wars with Meccan tribes, Muhammad gathered an army of 10,000 Muslim converts and marched on the city of Mecca. The conquest went largely uncontested and Muhammad seized the city with little bloodshed. In 632, a few months after returning from the Farewell Pilgrimage, he fell ill and died. But before his death, he had conquered and converted most of the Arabian Peninsula.
        The Quran is credited with been Mohammad’s revelations from Allah (God) through the angel “Jibril” (Gabriel) and does parallel the Christian beliefs in Jesus and the Jewish belief in Moses receiving divine information from God,
        But the official story line of his life by Islamic scholars (going from provable historical data) does not say he wrote the first Quran, it is said to have been written for Caliph “Abu Bakr” by “Ibn Ishaq” and later rewritten by “Ibn Hisham” (8th century) some considerable time after Muhammad’s death.
        So the first problem we have with the Quran is we find is Mohammad didn’t actually write it, it was written for Caliph “Abu Bakr” after Muhammad’s death (no doubt as his successor he would want to legitimise he rain by promoting Muhammad’s success with his brand of religion) and re written in the 8th century by “Ibn Hisham” .
        This is just the first of many inconsistencies we will find in the Quran’s time line and its content.
        So let’s look at the Quran itself and its content and see if we can gain a better understanding of these inconsistencies and why the “Hadiths” and the Quran were not compiled and written down until after Muhammad’s death.
        The first thing to look at is the man that is credited with being the author (or at least the sauce the author used) Muhammad, Muhammad is only mentions 4 times in the whole of the Quran, 4 times? The messenger of Allah (God) is only mentioned 4 times; seem very little for a prophet of Allah (God) especially when you find that “Isa” (Jesus, the Christians prophet) is mentioned 93 times in the Quran?
        It seems going off the times mentioned that the Christian profit “Isa” means more to the early religion than an Arabic one “Muhammad”?
        But I will let this pass for now as the most probable root of Islam is from “Isa’s” Jesus’s disciples that managed to keep the religion out of Constantine’s grasp.
        Another major inconsistency in the Quran is some of the things Allah is supposed to have said…
        The Quran tells us that Allah is all seeing and all knowledgeable and nothing escapes him…
        Yet the Quran, the words of Allah passed down through Muhammad says the earth is flat?
        Sura 13:3 – “And it is He who spread out the earth …”
        Sura 15:19 – “And the earth We have spread out like a carpet …”
        Sura 20:53 – “He who had made for you the earth like a carpet spread out…”
        The all seeing all knowing Allah thinks the world is flat?
        This would suggest to me that, this book was not written from the word of Allah but someone else that used the knowledge of the time when writing it to claim it came from Allah (God)…
        But we let the “flat earth” go for now and we will go back to the Quran and look a little further.
        The Quran speaks in great detail about Mecca the holy city, yet there are no written records of Mecca in any text anywhere in the world until the mid-8th century (741), the birth place of Muhammad was Mecca and he died there in 632! yet nothing is written about this Holy city anywhere in the world? And when you look closer we find there are no actual written records of Muslims or even the religion of Islam until this 741 (the 8th century) and none of the 26 and 6 earliest Quran’s pre-date the 8th century, and scholars either Islamic or otherwise know that there are 26 versions of the Quran and all date no further back than the 8th century.
        According to surah 7 ayat 4, Adam and Eve were supposed to have been cast down to Mecca from the Garden of Eden to Mecca, and the 8th century is the first time that Mecca appears in any writings anywhere?
        Adam and Eve, a story from Judaism and later Christianity and that much earlier Samarian religion, so here is an inconsistencies, how can Adam and Eve have been cast down to Mecca when the story of Adam and Eve can be historically proven to go back to thousands of years before the birth of Muhammad and the creation of Islam?
        In surah 21, it says Abraham was supposed to have rebuilt the Kaaba?
        As with the story of Adam and Eve, this not only disrupts but throws out any time line as we know from historical records that Abraham lived in 1700BC long before the Birth of Muhammad and the creation of Islam?
        So Mecca the holiest of the Islamic cities not only isn’t written about anywhere in the world before the 8th century but when it is written about, it attributes stories from a 1000+ earlier years to have happened there?
        I will let these inconsistencies pass as Islam was after all, most probably based on a breakaway group of Christianity from a Rome Emperor Constantine and is bound to share similar or same stories, even if they don’t fit into the time lines, so we will go back to the Quran to look closer at Mecca.
        The Quran gives a very detailed description of Mecca, 65 descriptions in all, and when we look at those descriptions we find maybe not unsurprisingly that not one of them describe the Mecca that is used and said to be the birth place of Muhammad today?
        So let’s look at that description and see what we can gain from them…
        The Quran says Mecca was the city where all the trade routes from North, South, East and West come together, where it mentions 23 times the people of Uz (modern day south west Jordan), and 24 times the (what we now call) Nabateans (Jordan), and 7 time it refers to the Midianites (northwest Arabian Peninsula), these are the people of those trade routes all descending on Mecca to trade.
        The Quran doesn’t give a geographical location of Mecca but it does give us detailed descriptions of the city itself, so let’s look at those detailed descriptions of the people and the area and see what we can find out.
        Mecca has a valley, a stream going through it; it has a parallel valley, it has clawed and loam soil, it has trees and Olive trees growing there.
        It is an historical fact that Olive trees have only ever grown around the Mediterranean 600 mile north of present day Mecca? So this is yet another inconsistency to the Saudi Mecca.
        The present day Saudi Arabian Mecca does not have claw or loam soil, it never has it has always been far too arid and it does not have a valley or a parallel valley and it does not have a stream running through it?
        So nothing fits from the detailed descriptions of Mecca in the Quran, to where we are now taught Mecca is today in Saudi Arabia?
        Even the people that the Quran says traded there never traded in the Saudi Mecca, the Uz, from modern day south West Jordan, Nabateans from Jordan around Petra, and the Midianites Northwest Arabian Peninsula, none had trade routes to the Saudi Mecca?
        So the Saudi Mecca that is taught as Mecca today, isn’t the true Mecca, it cannot be?
        So let’s look back at the Quran again and see if we can find out from the detailed descriptions where the true Mecca is if it’s not the Saudi imposter that is taught today….
        According to the traditions and the Quran it says that in 624 the Qibla was canonised in Mecca (surah 2 ayah 141-149) and every Mosque has to have one (so Muslims can pray in the right direction of Mecca).
        So according to the Traditions and the Quran, all Mosques have a Mihrab, (a praying wall that faces Mecca) so that Muslims can pray in the correct direction to the Qibla (a sacred building) in Mecca, the holy city.
        So let’s look at the 65 earliest Mosques from around the world and see what we can find from them, maybe they can give us a clue to the true Mecca of the Quran.
        So we visit these early Mosques and again we find a problem with the Saudi Arabian Mecca, the Qilba walls are facing the wrong way? Not until 706 in the 8th century was there a Mosque built with a Qibla wall facing present day Saudi Arabian Mecca?
        When we plot the course to where they are facing, we come up with only one place. Mosques from Canton in China to southern India, from Syria to Yemen, are all facing Petra in Jordan, 600 miles further North (and around the Mediterranean) then the Saudi Arabian Mecca that we are taught is the Holy city of Islam?
        Petra fit perfectly the descriptions from the Quran, it has a valley and a stream, it has a parallel valley, it has claw and loam soil and it has trees and Olive trees growing there, the Uz, modern day south West Jordan, Nabateans from Jordan around Petra, and the Midianites Northwest Arabian Peninsula were all known to have traded in Petra.
        The only logical conclusion is that the Saudi Arabian Mecca is a lie it has to be, the Saudi Mecca isn’t holy, it isn’t the true Mecca of the Quran, it can’t be nothing fits, not the people, not the description, even the direction of pray of the firsts Mosques all tell us that Petra has to have been the Mecca from the Quran, not this modern day Saudi imposter.
        But why lie about the location of Mecca?
        Well to find that out we have to look at those that have shaped Islam from its beginnings through to modern day, from Muhammad to Ayatollah Khomeini and the Saudi royalty that have always used Islam to control the people even to this day.
        So let’s start again with the time line and see from it who did what, and what we know (from historical provable data, as we can no longer trust the official stories of Muhammad and the Quran with its 2,200 deletions) and follow it to modern day.
        So we have to start again with the origins, the Christians believe that Muhammad’s teachings were wrote down some two hundred and fifty years after Muhammad’s death, Islamic scholars have claimed it was within 20 years after his death by Caliph “Abu Bakr”, in either case Mohammad is not credited with writing the Quran as passed down from Allah as is taught.
        So the first fact is the Quran was written by someone else not Muhammad from Allah.
        Caliph “Abu Bakr” ruled after Muhamad died so this would fit with the Islamic version of the Quran been written, but as no Qurans pre-date the 8th century this is dispute by Christian and other archaeological scholars to have been arou nd the 8th century.
        So we have the on one hand the successor to Muhammad writing the Quran and on the other a Islamic preacher writing it 200+ years later.
        The stories from the Quran attributed them to have happened in Mecca date some 1000+ years to the first ever mention of Mecca anywhere in the world Islamic writings or otherwise.
        The description of Mecca is all wrong to the Saudi Arabian Mecca and only fits one place in the world Petra in Jordan we have already established this.
        So lets go back to the only text we have “the Quran” and look again at it, but again something is wrong. When we look at the beautiful poetry in the Quran which is said to be the proof of Muhammad’s word received from Allah (God), it was all taken and copied word for word from earlier Syrian hymns?
        and more than 25% of the Quran was taken directly from Apocrypha writings (Jewish and Christian writings in their Holy books), which would give credence to Islam been an early Christian breakaway group and with such heavy redaction from the early Quran’s, they could have even be an Arabic version of the Christian Bible but we don’t have enough left of them left to establish this or disprove it.
        So after Muhammad we have a Caliph taking control of the early religion (sounds familiar, Constantine did the same with early Christianity), but then we don’t find anyone of interest or influence in Islam until we get to “Ibn Ishaq” in the 8th century (around the same time as the earliest Quran have been dated to), so let’s start with him and carry on to the modern day from there.
        “Ibn Sina” is the one who is credited with collected (for the first time) the teachings of Muhammad and putting them together.
        “Ali Sina” was Persian and lived from 980 – June 1037 (so 10th and 11th century), he was a Persian polymath who is regarded as one of the most significant physicians, astronomers, thinkers and writers of the Islamic Golden Age. He has been described as the father of early modern medicine. Of the 450 works he is known to have written, around 240 have survived, including 150 on philosophy and 40 on medicine.
        “Ibn Sina” created an extensive corpus of works during what is commonly known as the Islamic Golden Age, in which the translations of Greco-Roman, Persian, and Indian texts were studied extensively. Greco-Roman (Mid- and Neo-Platonic, and Aristotelian) texts translated by the Kindi school were commented, redacted and developed substantially by Islamic intellectuals.
        His most famous works are “The Book of Healing”, a philosophical and scientific encyclopaedia, and “The Canon of Medicine”, a medical encyclopaedia which became a standard medical text at many medieval universities and remained in use as late as 1650. In 1973, Avicenna’s Canon of Medicine was reprinted in New York.
        So we know in the times when “Ibn Sina’s” lived, books were been heavily redacted and changed to be used by Islamic scholars and this may well be one of the most probable times in which the first Quran’s had 2,200 large sections deleted.
        Besides philosophy and medicine, Ibn Sina’s corpus includes writings on astronomy, alchemy, geography and geology, psychology, Islamic theology, logic, mathematics, physics and poetry.
        So “Ibn Sina” was a scholar, a medical man and a theologian of the Islamic religion, writing the Hadiths for the first time and around at the same time it is most probable the original Qurans were altered, but as we cannot say this is the definitive time the Qurans were altered we will leave that and go back to the Hadiths that “Ibn Sina” wrote.
        The Hadith or should I say the “Hadiths”, as there were several versions of the Hadith dating to around this time( but it is unknown who else undertook the task of collecting and collating the Prophets words or if “Ibn Sina” wrote more than one Hadith), but at last someone even if it is 200+ years after Muhammad’s death is collecting the prophets teachings and writing them down.
        (but as the most probable time of the Quran deletions and alterations it is questionable to whether only certain of Muhammad’s teaching were used and not others, and would explain why other Hadiths were wrote to cover what “Ibn Sina” Hadith missed out).
        So after “Ibn Sina” in the 11th century we have to jump to “Ibn Taymiya’s” in the later 13th and early 14th century’s for the next known major figure in the route Islam took to its modern day form.
        “Ibn Taymiya” was born in modern day Iraq and he died on 26 September 1328 in Damascus and his life story according to Islamic scholars and others alike goes like this.
        “Ibn Taimiya” was a controversial medieval Sunni Muslim theologian, jurisconsult, logician, and reformer. A member of the Hanbali school of jurisprudence founded by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, “Ibn Taymiyyah” (to give his name in full) was also a member of the Qadiriyya Sufi order founded by the twelfth-century mystic and saint Abdul-Qadir Gilani. A polarizing figure in his own lifetime, Ibn Taymiya’s iconoclastic views on widely accepted Sunni doctrines such as the veneration of saints and the visitation to their tomb-shrines made him unpopular with the majority of the orthodox religious scholars of the time, under whose orders he was imprisoned several times.
        The Christian’s Bible went through a reformation with “Martin Luther” in the 1500’s; the same can also be said of the Quran much earlier with “Ibn Taimiya” in the 13oo’s (even if he was improsoned several times for his re-workings of Islam by traditional Ilsamic scholars).
        Often viewed as a minority radical figure in his own times and in the centuries that followed, “Ibn Taymiya” has become one of the most influential medieval writers in contemporary Islam, where his particular interpretations of the Quran and the Sunnah and his rejection of some aspects of classical Islamic tradition are believed to have had considerable influence on contemporary Wahhabism, Salafism, and Jihadism. Indeed, particular aspects of his teachings had a profound influence on “Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab”, the founder of the “Hanbali” reform movement practiced in Saudi Arabia known as Wahhabism, and on other later Wahabi scholars.
        “Ibn Taimiya” most famous saying, which still lingers to this day, was “to be a good Muslim you have to read the Quran and follow Mohammad’s teachings (the Hadith) and not the book of Toba and the other intertestamental books”
        So Christianity and Islam must have been tied together in his day, to prompt him to say “to be a good Muslim you have to read the Quran and follow Mohammad”. A Muslim is a follower of Allah (God) and for him to say be a good Muslim only follow the Quran, means that to follow the Bible or Tohar you must also have been a Muslim but in his eyes not a good one?
        So Christianity and Islam are tied again in history with this statement, but moreover to this, “Ibn Taymiya’s” controversial “Fatwa” allowing jihad against other Muslims is referenced to by Al-Qaeda and other jihadi groups today but more importantly allowed it against other Muslims in his day, Christian Muslims? Judaic Muslims?
        So really what “Ibn Taimiya” was saying and the only logical reason for saying it was do not follow the Christian or Judaic Muslim teachings and writings or the book of Toba (Toba being a Hebrew female name) but why would he say this if Christian beliefs were not also taught as part of Islam or in fact they were not different versions of the same religion?

        As testimony to this “Ibn Taymiya’s” writings and those of his students have recently been used by “Wahabbis” and “Reformists” to provide evidence against “Madhaib” and the “Aqueedah” of “Ahl al-Sunnah wal Jamaat” (The Four Schools) and to reject them in favour of Wahhabism, Salafism, and Jihadism, much more radical and political versions of Islam.
        So here we have a figure (Ibn Taymiya’s) that is changing the Quran to a more radical, political one, one that now allows Jihad to be waged on not just “Kufir” (non-Muslims) but also on other Muslims, Christian and Jewish Muslims?
        Although not proven, it has to be suspected that this is also one of the main other times probable to those 2,200 deletions in the early Quran’s, I would suspect logically that given he views on the Qurans of his day and the Christian Muslims that either he or his later followers heavily deleted vast swathes of the early Quran’s to reflect a more violent, radical and political aimed Quran away from Christianity and a less Christian Quran, and after reading the Quran I have to say the vast deletions explain a lot, why so many stories don’t seem to have a beginning or an end and seem incomplete, only passages that reflect the more radical views seem to have been kept in many cases and anything that did not reflect a more hard line fire and brimstone (to steel an analogy used to describe early Christian preachers) style of Islam.

        So “Ibn Taymiya” was the first we know of definitively as a reformer, one that was changing the views and teaching of the Quran (if not the Quran itself with large deletions), proves that Allah’s word was and has been changed by this man to suit what he wanted Islam to be from at least the 13th century if not before.
        After “Ibn Taymiya” died we come to “Al Wahab” from Arabia and “Walī ullah” from India in the 18th century who took up the mantle from “Ibn Taymiya’s” version of Islam and spread it throughout Arabia and India perpetuating his version until it is now the main one adopted throughout the world (and a sauce of much conflict as this version of Islam attacks any other versions or teachings of Islam and allows after his “Fatwa” the first chance to conquer and kill other forms of Islam, before this it was not allowed).
        So let’s look at these two individuals and see what they did with Islam….
        “Al Wahab” became close to the “Ibn Saud” family, who went on to eradicated all their enemies and take control of the Arabian Peninsula (which Saudi Arabia was later named after) but they did not have any theological legitimacy to their rule, so they adopted “Wahab” as their theologian.
        This is where “Wahhabism” gets its name from, and “Wahhabism” is the theology that is now been spread by Saudi money around the world today, funding mosque building on an unprecedented and unimaginable scale around the world and the westernised world in particular.
        Now this was 400 years ago back in the 1700’s, so radical Islam as we would know it, is not a new thing, it has slowly been moulded into a Radical/political religion since its birth with Caliph “Abu Bak” and later with “Ibn Taymiya” allowing the killing of Christian Muslims and more traditional forms of Islam.
        So in Arabia and throughout the Middle East we have an Islam been used to legitimise and prop up rulers, a practise that has continued to this day in Saudi Arabia.
        Ok onto the other figure from “Walī ullah” and lets see where he took Ilsam…..
        “Walī ullah was born in 1703 and later died 20 August 1762 at Jumuah in Old Delhi, aged 59.
        He was also known as Quṭb ad-Dīn Aḥmad Walī Allāh ibn ‘Abd ar-Raḥīm al-‘Umarī ad-Dihlawī’ but more commonly known as “Shah Waliullah Dehlawi”, he was an Islamic scholar, muhaddith reformer. He was a historiographer, bibliographer, theologian and philosopher.
        After studying “Ibn Tamiya’s” teachings, “Walī ullah” went back to his home town of “Beyhadh” in India and he started his Madrasa (Islam College). Indian “Muslimsnd” Islam at the time was in disarray and was credited with having low moral tones; this was to change largely due to “Walī ullah” new teaching which brought many Muslims into the same faith and practises of worship for the first time in India.
        So “Wali ullah” was known in his time, as a “Muhaddith” reformer (“Muhaddith” meaning Hadith preacher, reciter) and considered an Islamic scholar. So he was known to have reformed (changed) the Hadith (Mohammad’s words/teachings) to suit his version of Islam and a follower of “Ibn Taymiya” ( “Ibn Taymiya” who introduced the concept that you can kill other Muslims Christian or Islamic to get them to follow your version of Islam).
        So in Arabia and in India we hve two followers of Ibn Tamiya changing Islam to a more radical one that allows the killing of other Muslims to get them follow Ibn Taniya’s version of Islam.
        So what happened in India when Wali ullah died?…
        When the British came to India and colonised it they had a difficult time with the followers and disciples of “Walī ullah”. Over time the British pushed “Walī ullah” followers up into the mountains of what is now Norther Pakistan which is where they have remained until this day.
        In the 1920 “Abul A’la Maududi“ and “Muhammad Ilyas” founded a group called the “Tablighi Jamaat” which again was a Radical group that wanted to take Muhammad’s teachings as there source(now “Ibn Tamiya’s” teaching as they have been successfully changed ) for Islamic teachings and apply them to the twenty first century. That group has now spread to at least 120 countries and boasts for a membership of 80 million.
        The men that flew planes into the twin towers where followers of the “Tablighi Jamaat”, the Westminster bridge attack was by a follower of “Tablighi Jamaat”, in fact most of the suicide bombers and Islamic terrorists are all from the “Tablighi Jamaat”, and I can hear you all say I have never heard of them, yet they are the largest radical group (Islamic or otherwise) in the world today? And they are just one group of radical Islamists.
        The “Tablighi” went on to become what we now know as the Taliban from Afghanistan.
        Later “Muhammad Ilyas” went into western Pakistan and created a new group called the “Jamaat-e-Islami”, the “Jamaat-e-Islami” was the first of its kind to develop “an ideology based on the modern revolutionary conception of Islam” using Ibn Tamiya’s version of the Quran and the Hadith.
        The group split into separate independent organisations in India and Pakistan – “Jamaat-e-Islami” Pakistan and “Jamaat-e-Islami” Hind—following the Partition of India in 1947. Other groups related to or inspired by “Jamaat-e-Islami” developed in Bangladesh, Kashmir, Britain, and Afghanistan (the Taliban).
        It has been estimated from several sources that the “Jamaat” are converting or giving birth to 1.7 million new members a year, and this is why Islam is described as the fastest growing religion on the planet. How are they doing this?
        I will give you the figures of Islamic attacks around the globe for just the month of November 2017 and remember this is just the month of November 2017 (as this is the time I am compiling this history) there were 101 Islamic attacks in 19 countries, in which 1594 people were killed and 883 injured, with the main victims being Muslims, as Ibn Tamiya had wanted right back 13th century. Terror does work when spreading a radical intolerant form of Islam and that’s why these radical Fundamentalist from Islam use it so sparingly.

        Now if we go back to Arabia in the 1920’s we find “Hassan al-Banna”.
        “Hassan al-Banna” was the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and he took “Wahhabism” (taken from Ibn Tamiya’s version of Islam) as his text and ideology as his material and spread it throughout Egypt and from that time until this day the Muslim Brotherhood has tried through politics, violence and terrorism and assignation to gain control of Egypt.
        So we now have political extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan and parts of India, and political extremists in Arabia all pushing for a world Caliphate under the teachings of “Ibn Tamiya” and Sharia Law, Islamic law being one of the things “Wali ullah” is credited with helping to write.
        (At the same time we now have a new Quran been written in Egypt (at the same time as Islam is being used to try and take control of Egypt) and is adopted as the only Quran?)
        “Sayyid Quṭb” was a follower of “Hassan al-Banna” and was imprisoned in 1956 until 1966 for his terrorist and subversive activities with the Muslim Brotherhood. During his time in prison he wrote two books called “In the shade of the Quran and the other been called Milestone.
        “In the shade of the Quran” he took apart the Quran and updated it for use in the modern day, he was executed for him crimes violent crimes in 1966 but then went on to be a martyr of Islam. The thing to remember about this, he was a member of the Muslim brotherhood a terrorist organisation trying to take control of Egypt, so his extracts from the Quran were aimed at using Islam as a way of taking control of a country in modern times.
        This was to be known as Qutbism .
        This is the definition of Qutbism (which is also called Kotebism, Qutbiyya, or Qutbiyyah) is an Islamist ideology developed by Sayyid Qutb, the figurehead of the Muslim Brotherhood.
        It has been described as advancing the extremist jihadist ideology of propagating “offensive jihad” – waging jihad in conquest– or “armed jihad in the advance of Islam”

        Qutbism has gained widespread attention because it is widely believed to have influenced Islamic extremists and terrorists such as Osama bin-Laden. Muslim extremists and hate preachers within islam “cite “Sayyid Qutb” repeatedly and consider themselves his intellectual descendants.”
        The second book “Sayyid Quṭb” wrote whilst in prison was Milestones” which outlined his plan for political jihad to lead to Islam’s global power and advocated the establishment of believers to lead a war against “Jahiliyya”, the state of ignorance that existed before Mohammed’s message that introduced Islam to the world (Cline). In his book he divided social systems into two categories: The Order of Islam and the “Order of Jahiliyya”.
        “Sayyid Quṭb2 had a favourite student “Al-Wāhidī” who later became friends with “Osama Bin Laden”, Osama Bin laden was the son of a wealthy Saudi family and the two became good friends, together they were insuperable. “Al Wahidi” supplying theology and Bin laden supplying the funds they both went on the fight in Afghanistan against the Russians and later formed “Al Qaida”. Al Qaida was then invited by the Taliban to Afghanistan.
        Al Qaida is Arabic for “The Foundation” going back to the roots the foundation if Islam, incidentally the definition of “Radical” is root/sauce, so both radical Islam and the Foundation are implying going back to the root/sauce, Muhammad’s teachings as taught by “Ibn Tayima”.
        Al Qaida then supports the Taliban as brother’s whist using the Taliban safe areas to hide in and from the western authorities whilst masterminding attacks on the west. The pair went on to eventually culminated with their panicle, the attack on the twin towers in New York which killed thousands of people.
        The “Jamaat-e-Islami” parties maintain ties still internationally with other Muslim groups including the “Muslim Brotherhood” remember them the ones that are political revolutionaries that use violence, assignation and terror to try and gain political ground in order take control of Egypt and to create a world Caliphate (Caliphate, a world rules under Islamic law, Sharia Law).
        So we now have two groups of radical Islamist in modern times coming back together under their own separate interpretations of” Ibn Taymiya’s” political and radical view on Islam, based on his interpretation of the teachings of Muhamad and his version of the Quran.
        ISIS the most recent radical Islamic group was formed by a friend and past lieutenant of “Osama Bin laden” in Al Qaida “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi”. “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi” is said by intelligence sources to have funded the group by received private financing from wealthy citizens in Saudi Arabia and Qatar (two countries that use Islam to control their people and are credited with funding Mosque building in the west).

        So in conclusion we have a religion that was not written by its prophet Muhammad but by a Caliph after his death (best case scenario) and used as many would later to claim rain of a peoples and region.
        A religion that was used from its inception as a means of control and legitimising rule,
        a religion that has lost 2,200 parts of its first Holy books, and much of what is left is taken from Judaism and Christianity, those deletions if had not been done could have shown that the Quran was in fact a form of the Christian Bible or the Judaic Tohar.
        A religion that claims the earth is flat, (source the Quran)
        a religion that has 26 incomplete holy books and one modern day 1924 version, (source the Quran’s)
        a religion who’s first preachers, preached hatred of black and the African people,
        a religion that allows slavery even to this day and was believed to be instrumental in the idea of the wests adopting slavery,
        a religion that has a Saudi Arabian imposter as its capital, and not the true Mecca, Petra as taken from the Quran, (source the Quran)
        a religion that has undergone successive changes to suit successive preachers and rulers, (source the large deletions to the original Quran’s)
        a religion that preached peace to fellow Muslims until one man came up with the idea of a fatwa by allowed on other Muslims that followed Christian teachings , (source official Islam history of Ibn Tamiya)
        a religion that says that stories pre dating it happened in a city that did not exist in any writings until the 8th century, (source the Quran and the Sumation stone tablets)
        a religion that did not itself exist in any writings until the 8th century,
        a religion that could have been the same as or closely linked to Christianity until the 8th century when “Ibn Tamiya” said to no longer follow Christian of Judaic Muslim teachings.
        So looking at the information I can only draw conclusions, and these are my conclusions, others may draw other conclusions but I do not see how given the historic facts and not the politically motivated writings and interpretations of followers of Islam?/Christianity? That came in the much later on and wanted to move away from its founding ideals.
        My own conclusion from this has to be that Islam is a corrupted version of Christianity and until the 8th century it was an Arabian branch of Christianity, and that seems to have changed when the radical “Ibn Taniya” wanted to break away from Christianity and form a new religion based on his interpretation of the prophet Muhammad and Holy book The Quran, and as no Qurans exist before this time I would also guess (but only my guess based on what we know) that the Qurans were wrote and then heavily deleted at this time along with the first collections of the Hadiths which were written by a hadith reformer, and at a time the world was still regarded as flat in the Islamic world which then fits with the claims in the Quran that the world is flat according to Allah.
        Islam does not appear anywhere until the 8th century, and when it does its followers are told to no longer follow the Christian and Judaic teaching to be a good Muslim? but only the heavily redacted Quran (which contains vast amounts of Christian and Judaic writings).
        I can say Muhammad lived but nothing from his time exists to prove his prophet status other than an official life written hundreds of years later (but I would ask why if he was such a great prophet he is mention only 4 times in the Quran and “Isa” Jesus a Christian prophet is mentioned 93 times? And why if he was such a great prophet, his revelations from Allah/God, were not wrote down then?), he may have been a prophet of Allah (a direct translating would be “God” in Christian and Judaic writings) but I have no proof he was or was not a prophet as the first of his writings were written much later by a reformer? So he was changing them as he wrote them down?
        I can only say that what Muhammad was supposed to have said, and then those words were used again and again in later centuries to further political and regional control over its peoples.
        In either case Saudi Arabia was not his birth place, Petra in Jordan was, going from the detailed descriptions in what is left of the early Qurans.
        I can say he was a warrior priest that was failing badly to convert anyone to his religion until his revelations,
        after his revelations he raised a holy army and went on to conquered large parts of the Arabian peninsula and converted them to a religion, but that could have been Christianity for all we know as nothing from that time exists to back up it was Islam or counter that it may have been Christianity, only much later writings of re-writings by politically motivated individuals that were reforming the writing as they collected and wrote them down into several collections, only once they are doing this do we have the religion of Islam and the promoting of this separative Islam, before this Islam seems to be part of or linked to Christianity, as “Ibn Tamiya” tells us with his statement of, to be a good Muslim follow only the teachings of the Quran and not Christian writings, has to have meant that until then they were either one and the same or they were very closely linked in belief and practise….
        The Islam that is taught today certainly isn’t the Islam of the Quran that was taught back at its beginnings, it has been changed and both figuratively and literally to suit many over the centuries until this day, with the writing of the first and only Complete and universally excepted Quran the “Hathal Quran” (written in Egypt at the same time as Islam is being used to try and take control of Egypt) in 1924 and the Hathal Quran neither copies or has many similarities to the early 6 (even after the vast deletions) or the total of 26 other incomplete Qurans that exist.
        So the modern day Quran was written at a time and in a place Islam and jihadism is being used to try and take control of Egypt and a time when the Muslim Brotherhood claim and start a world caliphate? The Muslim Brotherhood yet another in a long line of people using the religion to further their own political agendas, by using the Muslims total belief and submission without question to the words of the Quran.
        A Quran that could have not only been originally written as an Arabic Bible (for all we know as very little is left to examine and what is left has been altered and changed so many times over the years it barely reads as recognisable to the early 6 or 26), a Quran that has so many inconsistencies even today (considering it was written in 1924) that the only conclusion is, it could only have been written by men using the religion for their own ends, an all knowing and seeing Allah would not make such basic and glaring mistakes would he?

  3. Native Brits must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. Muslim migrants did not come here to adopt all the British values. Muslim community needs Masajid, halal meat, grave yards sharia laws, Friday after noon off to attend obligatory prayers in the Masjid, two official religious holidays per year and state funded Muslim schools.They have come here with their own cultures, languages and faith. They need state funded Muslim schools for the preservation of their culture, languages and faith, otherwise, the future generations would be lost in western jungle. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

    Don’t these hypocrites idiots know what their ancestors did to Native American Indians they slaughtered 150 millions of Native American Indians! and also do they know that Great Britain invaded 80% countries around the world? They should call them terrorist first and as well call their ancestors terrorist! British did the same to Native American Indians and sadly they still treat Native American Indians badly! So Americans Indians know how you Muslims feel! They stolen Indian land and killed 150 millions of Indians the British did! They were forced to go to the white man’s school and learn the language, culture and faith of the white man. Inspite of that, they are still the under dogs of the American society.

    No one has any problem when: Jews keep beards and wear their traditional caps Christian priests and nuns wear their religious outfits Buddhist monks wear orange robes Sikhs keep beards and wear turbans Indian aunties wear Sarees (cross streets and hang out in Wal-Mart) Yeah but if any Muslim male keeps beard or if any Muslim girl wears hijab then everyone has problem. It’s Freedom when you go naked but it’s extremism when you wear hijab – just plain hypocrisy! Looking at the case of France, a major secular nation, I believe it is also not allowing women freedom by not letting her to wear her choice of clothing as it supposedly “clashes with French secular values”. Stop treating foreigners like garbage and they will stop ruining your precious country. Why did you let them in in the first place if you didn’t want them here? They left everything in their countries because of your promises. Are you so anxious to please that you can’t say “no”? I would love to see you go to a foreign land where you don’t have any friends, you don’t even know anyone and you don’t speak the language, and start from scratch.

    The beauty of Islam is that it is a religion which appeals to common sense. There is no blind belief or dogmatism in Islam. The fundamentals of Islam are simple, straightforward and easy to understand.

    A vast majority of people in this world just want to live their lives with their families and friends, and don’t give a hoot about what other people do, as long as they can go on with their families and friends. I find it almost impossible to believe that most Muslims want to kill people who don’t share their views. The matter at hand is how to change the mindset of people so a higher percentage does not turn to violence. One should not lump all individuals of any particular Faith in with the violent actions of a few misguided individuals who USE Religion to justify their violent actions. Every now and then a Muslim kills in the US and some people jump on ALL Muslims, as though WHITES, CHRISTIANS or otherwise, do not kill. They forget that non-Muslim killing far outnumbers Muslim killing in the US. They call for the expulsion of Muslims. The BEST SOLUTION would be for all FOREIGNERS to go back to their roots and return the country to the original AMERICAN NATIVES. Is this not a FAIR PROPOSAL? LOL! You white Christians have destroyed the Native Americans and it is only fair and right that YOU be destroyed by other communities.

    The shocking level of targeting of the Muslim community of Birmingham is indicative of the normalisation of the dehumanisation of the Muslims of Britain. Under the pretext of “extremism”, criminal undemocratic and unethical abuse of public institutions and the Muslims of the UK can occur without much accountability. This pervasive attitude, especially amongst officials like Michael Gove needs to change. Our schools are truly trying to develop our children to do well at schools so later in life they are able to stand on their own two feet, but if we stop our schools from doing this than our country will have up rise of unemployment, benefit issues, crime levels high, I think its time for you apologize and allow practitioners to do their job right.

    British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leaves schools with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. British schools are not doing enough to tackle racism and promote race relations. Many teachers are unaware of racist attitudes amongst pupils. Schools have a responsibility not only to deal with racist incidents but also to prepare pupils for life in a multicultural and multiracial society. At least one racist incident is reported daily in Bolton schools, according to stats obtained from Bolton Council by Manchurian Matters. Bolton Council of Mosques Manager, Ibrahim Kala, said the data is only the “tip of the iceberg” and that Islamophobia makes up a large portion of the reported incidents. Stats obtained through the Freedom of Information request show 2,397 cases of racism in Bolton schools in the years from 2004 to 2013, meaning on average there are 1.26 racist incidents occur daily – and these are only the ones being reported.

    Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 5% attend Muslim schools and more than 95% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.

    There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.

    Islam will grow despite of strong opposition to Muslims in the west. Islam is not any new religion, Islam means to submit your will to one and true Lord, who is the Lord of the Thrones. Who sent Adam,Abraham,Ishmael,Isaac,Joanna,Lot,Joseph,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad( Peace and blessings of God be on them all),The Quran Honours Mary as the women chosen above women of all the nations and their is a chapter dedicated to her in Quran called chapter 19, Mary and Jesus(Peace be on him) was the mightiest messengers of God, he was born miraculously without any male intervention, he healed all the blind and sick by God’s Permission. And no Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ as the messenger of God, and Jesus is coming back to this world, and this is our emaan our faith.Jesus says in the Bible that” on that day many will come to me and say, “Lord have we not done mighty works in thy name, in thy name cast out devils. Jesus says” You evil people depart from me, I never knew you”.

    If Islam is so bad, then why is it the WORLD’S FASTEST GROWING RELIGION! It is also one of the youngest religions. However no matter how hard everyone tries to give Islam a bad name, it will be twice as more populated. So let’s get straight to the point yeah?, Basically Islam is the most hated religion I don’t know why hmm maybe because it is also the most fastest growing religion and 2nd largest but no one will be able to stop this religion from growing.

    Islam is the fastest growing faith in Britain. Hundreds and thousands of Brits are reverting to Islam. By the middle of this century, over half of Brits would be Muslims.

    “I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.” [G.B. Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. No. 81936.]
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    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

      • We are all trying to find the correct solution to a very worrying problem.. The way you speak and the terminology is no better than a Muslim hating Christian.
        Education is so important before you post your comments.. Generations of Muslims are British citizens just because they have a different colour skin doesn’t mean that they come from a different country. Besides are we saying that the religion is the problem or is it just plane old criminality regarding the stone throwing drug supplying and grooming as this happens in all cultures.

    • G. B. Shaw did not write a book called “The Genuine Islam”. He never wrote any published work on Islam. He is however quoted in letters as stating “Mahomet rose up at the risk of his life and insulted the stones (that the Arabs worshipped) shockingly, declaring that there is only one God, Allah, the glorious and the great . . . And there was to be no nonsense about toleration,”
      “You accepted Allah or you had your throat cut by someone who did accept him, and who went to Paradise for having sent you to Hell.”

    • You say learn to respect, how about respect our country, when we travel, we follow the the laws of the land, we do not demand things for us, yet muslims come here demand mosques, demand halal, the fact is people enter Great Britain for our Benefits and our HNS, they hate us, but want our handouts.

      • I’m not a Muslim but you only have to look at the streets of Spain and the antics of young English me and women and the way they show our great Country up.. We must not throw stones certainly in glass houses. White British politicians could be somewhat to blame for the divided cultures. Personally I think that over the next decade schools in the United Kingdom need to be diverse. No all Muslim or British schools . The schools need to be diverse so we can get to understand each other’s cultures. Where are the inner city West Indians they have been in some way driven out of areas by the Pakistanis and this has been aloud to happen without any thought. Like I said we need to look closure at the politicians who distribute the rules and regulations from London. Living in Bradford at times is fearful .. the power that the young Asian males have adopted is rediculous butcthis isn’t about religious beliefs it’s wanton crime.

      • Crash Guy the question is why do we allow this is it through fear. Basic situations like trying to order a taxi when there is know diversity.. In Bradford it’s clear that the taxis are run by certain people.. Where is the diversity. In any other walk of like this wouldn’t be allowed so surely this is the problem of the Bradford council who issue licenses The route cause of the situation we have in the United Kingdom is down to correct organisation rules and regulations. I look at Asian fast food take aways and why so many are allowed. Places of prayer why are so many allowed as they cause road traffic problems in certain areas. And there shops.. why are they allowed to exhibit there fruit ect on the pavements outside there shops causing obstruction. I could go on. They are just taking advantage as they are looked to. Laws rules and regulations have to be for all.. Whoever have issues them powers are derailed of their duties

    • what a load of crap…..you are just a propaganda mouth piece for an out of date religion ( the worst off all of them ) I have studied all religions and they are all covers to drive their own agenda. that all. You just want Sharia everywhere because you have been told that is what Allah wants ?? or death. You have no respect for others. that simple. How can you tell me that you want a multi cultural society when Islam does not allow it, You don’t thats why, but you cannot say it because you will be found out. Why not go back to a muslim country instead where all is in place for you. I cant, I will be killed most probably because I have a different out look but I am happy to fight for that right. You just want to take over and rule like the Otteremans. Islam is bad thing for the human experience even more so if you are female or an “infidel”

    • Jesus is the founder of Christianity. He is our role model. He showed us the Father and with his teachings and parables taught us how to live with one another in love and peace. Sin is the turning away from God and making Him in our image and that is when we wage war, butcher little girls (FGM) and kill or should I say murder.
      Mohammed was born 400 years after Jesus. Jesus was a Jew and was brought up as a Jew.
      The Old Testament was written by Jewish scholars and is the story of mankind taken from the beginning of time through Abraham who was a man who simply walked with the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is the power, energy if you like, Jesus The Word. The Scriptures talk of “We”.
      The God of Jesus Christ made man and Women perfectly physically. Before Him we are all equal, men and Women. One is not worth half that of the other. He made mankind male and female for the procreation of the species. God is Spirit. Through Christ we are forgiven of our sin if we turn away from that sin.
      Jesus told his disciples to spread the word and tell people the Good News. If the people didn’t want to know he told them to wipe their feet, walk away and be at peace. He did not say kill the infidels. Of the Prostitute’s accusers he says who will cast the first stone. No one could because they were all guilty. So Christians do not stone people to death. God will deal with them himself. Hence Jesus words let the weeds and wheat grow together, he will remove the weeds because if men try to do that they may pull up the good wheat with the weeds.
      Mohammed was born hundreds of years after Jesus. The Quaran is a rewrite of the Old Testament, why? Mohammed ignored the teachings of Jesus Christ and took his followers back hundreds of years to Old Testament times, that of stoning women, killing animals as scapegoats for their sin and where on earth female genital mutilation came in I have no idea but it does satisfy some sadistic need in men who insist on it so Satan has s role there.
      Any man or woman who can bear the screams of their little girls while being cut are no better than animals themselves, in fact that is an insult to the animal kingdom.
      In view of this, I as a British citizen do not want Sharia Law which permits these heinous acts to be enforced on any sister of mine and as a Christian that includes all Women Muslims included as we are all Gods beautiful creation. If Allah permits these acts then he is not the God of Jesus Christ.

    • This is complete gibberish. It is nothing more than a compendium of lies designed to misrepresent British history, denigrate British culture and portray islam as something it most certainly is not. The entire content of this response is delusionary, mendacious and best ignored.

  4. Iftikhar Ahmad, “If Islam is so bad, then why is it the WORLD’S FASTEST GROWING RELIGION!”

    That is because Islamic culture encourages Muslims to have loads of children; 3 times as many as the average western family.

    A lot of what you say is utter garbage!

    It’s about time the world seen all these religious books as just stories and then we may be able to get along with each other ;-).

  5. For now the problem is Islam. Some Muslims aren’t a problem but Islam surely is the root problem. Not alone in the west but everywhere else too. Unfortunately they won’t change. Nor will their generations.

    • Absolutely. Evil in the world has always been as a result of groups of people. Today it is Islam. Therefore, Muslims need to be dealt with.

      • Rachael are you going to deal with the Muslims. I mean you personally. Comments like this are scare mungering and could place people in fear. Muslims are people they are all not Christian hating people. Like I have said before criminals need dealing with. If laws are broken in this country they should be dealt with. What we have in the UK is situations created by English politicians that allow these criminals not to be dealt with because of fear of colour prejudice . All criminals in any country no matter of what colour trace religion should be dealt with but laws have to be clear and the British law enforcement have to be encouraged to administer the punishment correctly.

  6. Reading this whole post from a Muslim who blames everything onto non Muslims and refuses to admit the+mess that Islam has and still is causing a mess wherever Muslims live.
    Saudi Arabia donates $billions annuallly to its embassies around thw world to be spent on two priorities; to dem9nise Jews and delegitimise Israel, to convert losers to this ideology based on hate for Kuffirs, non Musl8ms, even Muslims of a different caste or nationality (Pakistani vs Bangla Deshi) and conquest.
    The ?Muslims demand and receive from cowardly western governments everything that they deny and forbid to others.
    Europe slaughtered Six million Jews and has been rewarded with thirty million Muslims. No doubt a great bargain, so enjoy!

  7. Iftikhar Ahmad, Do you possess any opinions of your own ? Have any views that you have arrived at independently ? or do you just copy and paste from some Imam approved website ? If that’s how you’d rather do things, allow me…..

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. – Winston Churchill.

  8. Muslim migrants did not come here to adopt all the British values – no ? so why did they come then if they disliked the ideals of the country ? Oh, to change them of course against their will ! Wanting to impose your laws and ways on others is just what your lot are trying to do and have no respect for the laws of the country that you migrate to. Sharia law is a joke just like the virgins that you could have by blowing numerous innocent people to pieces ? Mohammed must be called the saviour of Humanity – you say – and how many non believers do you have to kill to prove that you are right ? -if you live to see the day ? So let’s get straight to the point yeah?, Basically Islam is the most hated religion I don’t know why hmm maybe because it is also the cult that sees no value in the life that is given and destroys those that do not agree with their twisted sense of justice. You breed like rabbits even though you cannot provide for the offspring in the country that you came from so lets go and take over a country that has a religion that cares and ultimately will be the same as the one that you left because of your poor sense of values.
    Native Brits must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. Why then do you not practice what you preach and respect true religions rather than your misguided cult. You treat women as slaves and grant them no quality of life and have no control over your sex drive and see rape as acceptable even with children – what a sick person you are.
    “I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality
    What have you done for anyone outside of your cult ?
    You have verbal diarrhea Iftikhar Ahmad and see that if you speak for long enough people will have to change to your way of thinking and start to believe you.
    It’s called brain washing but if you push too hard you will regret it.

    • They came here because its their agenda to dominate the world. Its not immigration rather then invation. They exploit western democracy and liberalism for only one purpose – to convert the native people to islam or they will pay taxes to them.

      Take Recep Tayyip Erdogan for granted: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…”

      If you agree on that agenda keep your political system.

  9. well the lefties brought the trash in, they encouraged everything that has happened, now that they are here and truely taking over… what are you going to do to stop it? If truth be known, nobody wants them here, dont believe me? then do a POLL

  10. White English people are not that good at integrating. There are areas of France and Spain where English immigrants live entirely English lives: how many English people even know the languages of their European neighbours? There is also nothing wrong with Arabic being taught in English schools, along with the history of Islam and other religions alongside Christianity, but separate schools for any one faith just make division worse.

  11. Islam is a tool of the globalist elite’s to destroy White Western Europe. The E.U. is just another facet in helping the invasion along. The same is happening in all Western Nations.
    The Traitor “whore” in 10 downing street is a puppet, we will leave the E.U. in name only, mass uncontrolled immigration will never stop.
    Understand this the filth in Westmonster hate us and want us gone. If our children and women are gang raped on a mass scale, (which they are) throughout Europe. They encourage it and turn a blind eye, after all its serves their purpose of a coffee coloured Europe. The “Kouden-Hove Kalergi plan” is in full swing. All our institutions have been infiltrated by the useful idiots cultural Marxists ,far leftist’s are running rife through all the media organizations brainwashing you 24-7 They hate the heterosexual masculine white man, because we are a threat to their N.W.O. plans.
    They are creating a divide between the sexes, elevating the black, browns above us.
    All the hate laws are designed against us! Mudslimes can do no wrong, our girls are still being raped up and down the land. My God people open your eyes!!!

    • I think that I may have stumbled on a way of causing Common Purpose some major damage. Back in 1995 I read Booker and North’s book, ‘The Castle of Lies’. One of the things that really hit me was that every single local council in the UK had been infiltrated by EU operatives. Local education especially had been targetted. It was fortuitous in a way that I had been hurt testing out a weight shift microlight, and had screws in my spine, left leg and kneecap, busted ribs and a colostomy bag which pretty well meant that I was stuck in doors. (Except when flying the Tiger Club’s Piper Cub, G-BBYB.} Spent a lot of time reading and watching TV, especially schools TV. I could not believe the EU propaganda pushed out on every single TV programme that I saw. Booker and North definitely opened my eyes to that one…but back to the idea of stopping CP. The EU 5th Column in our local councils are now Common Purpose people. EU, Common Purpose is the same thing. Expose these people in every council and we will have them on the run. I have started with my own council, Dartford Borough Council. Looks like a good place to start because it is here that the enemies of John Wedger, and of abused children are the roots of the whole CP child abuse system. I have sent this email, yesterday, to my local councillors, to the leader of Dartford Council and to my MP….If we all start exposing CP in our local councils we will cause Tony Blair and CP massive damage. Check your local Councils out. You may very well be lied to and be told that there are no Common Purpose people in your council. Keep pushing. Every Council has CP members operating in it, no exceptions. Keep digging and you will start to get info. Even may get a whistle blower help ouy. If you get info please share it here in our group, so we can all join in and help . Together we can really damage Common Purpose……>>>> Mon 01 Jan 2018 12:35:05 PM GMT
      This is an email that sent to my 3 ward councillors, Richard Lees, Bryan Read, and John Hayes with a FYI to Peter Harman, Chair of our Residents Association and KCC Councillor.
      Dear Councillor…..,
      I am very confused and extremely concerned about how Democracy works ,or does not work, in Dartford Borough Council.
      Concerning the relationship between Graham Harris, Common Purpose and Dartford Borough Council I have several questions that I would like put to meetings of Swanscombe and Greenhithe Town Council, and to Dartford Borough Council.
      Please will you tell me how to go about this; to have my questions put to full meetings of both councils so that councillors are aware and can answer my concerns.
      There are 4 points leading me to ask these questions:-
      1) Graham Harris is the Managing Director of Dartford Borough Council.
      2) Graham Harris is also a member of an organisation called Common Purpose, which is registered as a charity.
      3) Common Purpose should not be registered as a charity, because it is a political organisation.
      4) Common Purpose boasts of, among other things, ” Operating outside Authority”, “Taking power in the post-Democratic era*, and is dedicated to thwarting our democratic choice to leave the EU, namely Brexit.
      Here are two questions I would like answering:-
      1) I understood that Dartford Borough Council staff and employees should be politically neutral as far as carrying out the aims and policies of the democratically elected councillors of Dartford Borough Council.
      How can Graham Harris be a fit and proper person to manage and run Dartford Borough Council when he is a member of Common Purpose, a political organisation which believes in ” Operating outside Authority”, “Taking power in the post-Democratic era”, and is dedicated to thwarting our democratic choice to leave the EU, namely Brexit?
      2) According to the invoice supplied to me by Dartford Borough Council, when I asked for an internal review following an abortive attempt I had made under a Freedom of Information Request, Graham Harris went on a Common Purpose 20.20 course in June 2005.
      This 20.20 course was a very expensive course, costing Dartford residents, £5,463.75, at 2005 prices. The invoice is addressed to Graham Harris in his post of Managing Director of Dartford Borough Council, but was paid for by Dartford Borough Council, not by Graham Harris.
      What is the very expensive Common Purpose 20.20 course? How does this very expensive course benefit Dartford residents?
      When Dartford Borough Council paid this invoice was any scrutiny carried out?
      Who authorised payment of this invoice?
      Who decided to send Graham Harris on this course?
      I ask this question because Graham Harris could not have put himself forward to go on this or any other Common Purpose course.
      To go on a Common Purpose course you have to be invited by an existing Common Purpose member who has been watching you for some time, has a good knowledge of your political views, and considers you suitable Common Purpose material.
      For example, Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, of London’s Metropolitan Police is a Common Purpose ‘graduate’ who acts for Common Purpose by selecting suitable people to send on Common Purpose courses.
      Why was Graham Harris chosen and sent on this course, bought and paid for by the residents of Dartford?
      Did any Dartford Borough Council councillors know that Graham Harris was being sent on this course?
      I look forward to your reply on how to proceed with this matter.
      I have many other questions that I want to ask after receiving answers to these questions.
      Best regards,
      Malcolm Jackson.

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